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Subject:  Info-Atari16 Digest V89 #482
 
Info-Atari16 Digest   Tuesday, October 10, 1989   Volume 89 : Issue 482
 
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
 
Today's Topics:
 
                           Re: TOS 1.4 bug?
       Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2)
                         Re: TT announcement
              Re: Graphics file formats on new machines
       Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2)
                 Sozobon C Compiler - latest version?
               Re: Memory chips and assorted data books
                               Re: help
                              FTP sites
                          gnu awk questions
              Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems Part Two
                       Re: Atari blows it again
                 Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems!!
                       Re: Word Perfect 4.1 bug
 
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Date:         17 SEP 89 09:53:56 CST
From:     Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
To:       <INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU>
 
SUB Larry Rymal
 
Larry Rymal:  |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 19:17:35 GMT
From: cwjcc!dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu@gatech.edu  (Jwahar R. Bammi)
Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 bug?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
In article <22217@cup.portal.com>, Xorg@cup (Peter Ted Szymonik) writes:
>My experience has shown that the first thing to do after getting TOS 1.4
>installed is REFORMAT the HD.  My system was exteremely flaky after the
>upgrade until I reformatted - that should take care of ALL file not found
>errors.
 
This is **NOT** true at all. I have gone though 3 generations of Tos 1.4
releases (developers disk based Tos 1.4, the ?feb eprom one, and now
the real one) without re-formatting anything. heck one of the drives
i am still using was formatted pre-mega-tos, and still has'nt given me a
single problem.
--
bang:   ?any internet host?!dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu!bammi	jwahar r. bammi
domain: bammi@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu
GEnie:	J.Bammi
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 19:36:05 GMT
From:
 swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!dogie.macc.wisc.edu!vms.macc.wisc.edu@ucsd.edu
 (Neil Gilmore)
Subject: Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
In article <17281@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, jlemon@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Jonathan
 Lemon) writes...
 
>In article <2420@dogie.macc.wisc.edu> gilmore@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Neil Gilmore)
 writes:
(What I do, What he do deleted)
What's UN*X? I am on a VAX w/VMS. The preblem with ARC'ed filed is as
you describe... the terminal usually locks up. I do have Xmodem, but I
don't think the system does. As far as I can tell, when I call from
home, the VAX thinks I'm just another terminal.
 
>--
>Jonathan   ...ucbvax!cory!jlemon   or   jlemon@cory.Berkeley.EDU
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Kitakaze Tatsu Raito	Neil Gilmore     internet:gilmore@macc.wisc.edu |
| Jararvellir,          MACC, UW-Madison bitnet: gilmore@wiscmac3       |
| Middle Kingdom        Madison, Wi                                     |
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 21:15:25 GMT
From: microsoft!w-darekm@uunet.uu.net  (Darek Mihocka)
Subject: Re: TT announcement
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
In article <1695@atari.UUCP> kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes:
>gl8f@astsun7.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>
>| 3. Plug in blitter and ROMS. Note the small speed increase, since you're
>|    running TurboST or QuickST already...
>
>  I beg to differ here, Greg.  TurboST 1.6 runs _much_ faster on a machine
>with a blitter than one without.  Least it seems that way to me.
>
>--
>   |||   Ken Badertscher  (ames!atari!kbad)
>   |||   Atari R&D System Software Engine
>  / | \  #include <disclaimer>
 
I beg to differ with _your_ observations Ken. My observations using a Mega ST
with TOS 1.2 and 1.4 with and without the blitter, with and without different
software accelerators. I don't disagree that Turbo ST runs faster with the
blitter chip, since it checks for and uses the blitter, but the speed increases
are far from being "_much_ faster". I'd use that term to apply to the speed
increase obtained by using Turbo ST alone, and the term "_slightly_ faster"
to describe the additional speed increase that the blitter gives you. Hope
you're not trying to sell us some vaporware blitter chips <grin>. Someone
else did mention that "your mileage will vary" but you have yet you convince
me that the blitter chip can significantly outperform tightly coded assembler
code in real life situations (not rigged Comdex demos).
Why not just apply some of the same types of optimizations that Turbo ST uses
in the next version of TOS? I'm sure there were better things to do with time
and code than putting rainbows into the desktop.
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Darek Mihocka                   ST Xformer II              CIS: (out of order)
Box 2624, Station B            Quick Utilities                   GEnie: DAREKM
Kitchener, Ontario          MegaBlit   SSG   SPX                DELPHI: DAREKM
N2H 6N2                   Shareware, not Vaporware                 BIX: darekm
Canada      Blitter chip sucks!     CheapNet: ...!uw-beaver!microsoft!w-darekm
(519)-747-0386     A mind is a terrible thing to waste, so JUST SAY NO TO TOS.
Opinions expressed are my own and not those of anyone not named Darek Mihocka.
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 21:25:32 GMT
From: microsoft!w-darekm@uunet.uu.net  (Darek Mihocka)
Subject: Re: Graphics file formats on new machines
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
In article <3104@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>
>There IS provision in the Neochrome header for different screen sizes although
>in current versions of the program it is not used.
>
>I personally like the Neochrome format and although it only supports low rez
>just now the first long in the header is the rez.
 
I wasn't aware that Neochrome supports variable resolutions. Somebody
actually thought ahead was back in 1985?  :-)  I have also received
some email about the IMG format also supporting variable resolution. The
question still remains, what format will Atari and/or developers decide to
make the standard on the new machines (and Hyperscreen modified STs)? Or
will this be a wait and see situation? And how with the Getrez() function
work on the new machines?
 
>
>Nope. Degas Elite uses bit 15 in the rez word to signify a compressed image
>.PCx.
>
ok, then, make it bit 14.  :-)
 
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Darek Mihocka                   ST Xformer II              CIS: (out of order)
Box 2624, Station B            Quick Utilities                   GEnie: DAREKM
Kitchener, Ontario          MegaBlit   SSG   SPX                DELPHI: DAREKM
N2H 6N2                   Shareware, not Vaporware                 BIX: darekm
Canada      Blitter chip sucks!     CheapNet: ...!uw-beaver!microsoft!w-darekm
(519)-747-0386     A mind is a terrible thing to waste, so JUST SAY NO TO TOS.
Opinions expressed are my own and not those of anyone not named Darek Mihocka.
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 20:16:13 GMT
From: dartvax!eleazar.dartmouth.edu!dav@decvax.dec.com  (William David Haas)
Subject: Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
In article <17281@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jlemon@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Jonathan
 Lemon) writes:
>In article <2420@dogie.macc.wisc.edu> gilmore@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Neil Gilmore)
 writes:
> various tranfer techniques deleted
>
>Much simpler.
 
Actually, what I do is:
1) On my UNIX workstation at work I put all the uuencoded parts in a single
    file of mailbox format
2) uud the file
3) doswrite the file using the 3.5 floppy drive on my UNIX box
4) Take it home an copy it my atari
 
See... the IBM 6152 does has a useful feature after....
course, a Sun 386i would also work
 
Sorry, couldn't help gloating (-;
Being a  block away from work helps too.
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 18:15:05 GMT
From: voder!thoreau!desyoung@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Des Young)
Subject: Sozobon C Compiler - latest version?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
Hello,
  I am trying to port MINIX to a 68K coprocessor card (homebrew)
that plugs into a PC. Hmm.
  I would like to use the Sozobon compiler. So, some questions:
 
 1. What is the latest version of the compiler suite?
 2. Where/who do I contact to obtain it?
 3. Has it been ported to a UNIX-like system?
 
Sorry for posting to the group, I guess I just need a pointer to
someone in the know. I tried Dale Schumaker, but my mail did not
get through (Our site has had some upheaval recently).
 
Many thanks in advance,
Des Young.
 
Des Young. des@dtg.nsc.com, or des@logic.nsc.com
National Semiconductor, Santa Clara, CA.
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 14:05:36 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!acorn!moncam!emmo@uunet.uu.net  (Dave Emmerson)
Subject: Re: Memory chips and assorted data books
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
Apologies for posting this here, direct replies bounced.
 
Sorry, you're too late for any of the DILs, just 20 of the zigzags and
a few data books left. Seems most people thought they'd be too late if
they weren't in the UK, but half the free ones are going to Sweden.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...
 
Dave E.
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 00:56:37 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a390@uunet.uu.net  (Rick Carrillo)
Subject: Re: help
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
I'm here and I am a happy Atari ST owner....
 
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Date: 18 Sep 89 05:42:47 GMT
From: mf2e+@andrew.cmu.edu  (Michael Douglas Fischer)
Subject: FTP sites
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
Where can I go to get ST programs via Anonymous FTP? I know of
millions of systems where I can FTP Amiga software, but I'm looking
for some ST programs for a friend. Please e-mail replies to
MFISCHER@SBCCVM.BITNET or MFISCHER@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU. Thanks!
 
--Mike
 
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Date: 18 Sep 89 02:43:38 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watmath!watdragon!tiger!ach
owe@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (anthony howe)
Subject: gnu awk questions
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
I finally tried to use the last version of << GNU AWK >> that came down
the pike to do some global text search and delete (since FOLDED 0.9e
lacks the ability to search and replace control codes).
 
I quickly review what I needed in the book << The AWK Programming
Language >> and tried the following:
 
	? gsub( /_\b/, "" ); print ?
 
This was meant to globally search and delete all undersorce-backspace
combinations (I'm stripping a formatted file of cude underlining and
other code that mess up my printer).
 
However AWK keeps giving me an "error near line 1" and quotes just
about the whole line. What's wrong?
 
I don't even know the diffs between << GNU AWK >> and the implementation
described in the above book. There was no documentation. All I remember
was a comment or a small readme that said I should get a copy of my UNIX
version's man page. Was there any docs with << GNU AWK >> and if so are
not my rights to it being abused by not providing it (as mentioned in
every GNU COPYING & LICENSE notice)?
 
- Ant
  achowe@tiger.waterloo.edu     | "Life is not fair. Anyone who tells
   _     -|-|_   _              |  you different is trying to sell you
  (_\ |\| | | | (_) |\| \/      |  something." - The Princess Bride
                     ___/       |                        disclaimer...
 
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Date: 18 Sep 89 00:08:00 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Ted Szymonik)
Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems Part Two
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
exactly what the new TOS ROMs offered because he didn't get any docs!
 
Peter Szymonik
Xorg@cup.portal.com
 
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Date: 18 Sep 89 00:13:00 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Ted Szymonik)
Subject: Re: Atari blows it again
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
I think Atari has their hands more than full with the emminent releases
of TOS 1.4, Portfolio, Lynx, STacy, and the TT!  Perhaps their strategy
with the Lynx is to let Nintendo corner the market again and then sue
them for having a monopoly.  <grin>
 
Peter Szymonik
Xorg@cup.portal.com
 
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Date: 18 Sep 89 00:06:46 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Ted Szymonik)
Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems!!
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
Well folks, after my two days of work and two days at the dealer my TOS 1.4
equipped Mega 2 is now running FLAWLESSLY.  The HD needed to be rebooted
and all my programs were restored from original floppies (not the HD back
up which failed to work for some reason.)  I also discovered that my bombs
that were happening on the color monitor are *most likely* attributed to the
game's copy protection - NOT the TOS ROMs because I've seen a few posts
from people who had problems with the same two titles even under TOS 1.2.
I give TOS 1.4 a big Thumbs Up and recommend it - the differences ARE
noticable and pleasant - I just wish that I had a clue as to why my problems
happened as they did.  Another Strong Recommendation for Atari is to provide
some documentation with the TOS 1.4 upgrade, not even my dealer knew
 
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Date: 17 Sep 89 19:47:28 GMT
From: cacilj!close@uunet.uu.net  (Diane Barlow Close)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 4.1 bug
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
In article <8909162233.AA17831@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> UUCJEFF@ECNCDC.BITNET (jeff
 beer) writes:
>I have been having this problem with Word Perfect 4.1.  I am working on
>a file of about 70K, and it seems to have problems with the length.
>Sometimes when I save it, it doesnt get save, and then inside the edit
>buffer, the end of it gets mangled.  Sometimes it gets truncated, other
>times the last few pages get rewritten at the end.
 
Well something went wrong with my first posting (only the .sig got out), so
I'll try again:
 
This is a known and documented bug having something to do with virtual
files.  It was discovered it many, many months ago.  It has been reported to
WordPerfect and it has been fixed IN THE LATEST VERSION.  This bug only
occurs in the 1988 version.  But, if you report having problems with this
bug, you will get the 1989 version sent to you FREE (otherwise you will have
to pay WordPerfect $17.50 to ``upgrade'' to the 1989 version).
--
Diane Barlow Close
      ?uunet, crash, ucsd?!cacilj!close
      close@cacilj.uucp
      Free Canada -- Trade Mulroney
 
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